Forest & Bird Tag: Tongariro Kiwi rescue

CeeJay on ""Celebrate New Zealand Native Bird and Ecosystems Recovery Day November 15 2009""

CeeJay — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:04:08 +0000

CeeJay on ""Celebrate New Zealand Native Bird and Ecosystems Recovery Day November 15 2009""

CeeJay — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:59:25 +0000

While I vehemently oppose what they are saying, and how they are saying it, I would take some issue in judging the Grafs on the basis of something they did 20 years ago. We should "play the ball, not the man." I work in Prison Services and some of those I engage to rehabilitate prisoners are criminals (several of whom have committed horrendous offences) who have turned their lives around. There is no reason to believe that the Grafs have not done the same and good on them if they have.

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clairegreen — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:47:27 +0000

Ian Gill (Trackabat) and everyone from DOC West Coast deserve all our support and congratulations. They are the leading DOC Conservancy in New Zealand in controlling possums, stoats, rats and mice on a vast landscape scale through very effective treating of West Coast native forests with aerial 1080. Yellowheads/mohua have now returned in flocks to the Landsborough River where triennial aerial 1080 has been the only treatment system used. Whio/Blue Duck are abundant in the Upper Moeraki because of the same treatment.They have no future on offshore islands and fenced sanctuaries, where there are no wild rivers, so aerial 1080 pest control is their only prospect of a future in the wild. The Hope River, south of Jacksons Bay, is now NZ's greatest mistletoe stronghold because of the dedicated work on public conservation land by DOC West Coast. These public servants have persisted with this important conservation work despite continuous criticism and even personal threats from the anti-1080 campaigners. The DOC staff have seen the stunning results and so they keep on going knowing that without their efforts most of the species above will be facing extinction. Well done Trackabat and all your team!

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Helen — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:09:52 +0000

And supported by armed robbers: Hamilton film maker Clyde Graf, one of the family duo that claims the moral high ground in the anti 1080 campaign, has convictions for bank robbery. He today apologised to his fellow campaigners for any "embarrassment" caused. Graf and his brother Steve refer to themselves as "The Graf Boys" and achieved national recognition for their anti-1080 documentaries, A Shadow of Doubt and more recently Poisoning Paradise, which had its national premiere to a full house and acclaim at the Regent Theatre, in Hokitika. However, the Greymouth Star has revealed that Clyde Graf and a third brother were sentenced in February 1986 to 10 years' jail for bank robberies in Brisbane, Australia. The headline in the Brisbane Courier Mail at the time read 'Silly dream led to brothers being jailed'. Clyde Graf is also a professional photographer, whose internet biography says he grew up in New Zealand's outdoors but now "hunts with a camera" photographing wild New Zealand creatures in their natural habitat. He initially would not answer questions from the Greymouth Star this morning but issued a statement saying that he had been "young and foolish" when he committed the robberies and regretted his actions. He was carrying an imitation pistol and said there was never any real threat of danger to the bank staff. "I entered the banks alone, and no one was physically injured. "It is important to note that my brother Steve in no way had anything to do with this crime. "I thank family and friends for their support, and I apologise to all the people involved with the Poisoning Paradise project if I have caused embarrassment or offence." He had accepted the probability that a higher public profile might lead to his past being revealed, but he went ahead anyway because the 1080 issue was so important to him. "Because of my past, it would have been easier to have ignored the project, and ignore the information that was revealed. However, I stand by my decision to produce, with my brother Steve, the Poisoning Paradise documentary. "This in no way changes my determination to fight the use of 1080 in our country." The Grafs have in the past been highly critical of the Animal Health Board and Department of Conservation, but neither organisation wanted to comment on the new revelations today. Fascinating ...

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TrakaBat — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:46:06 +0000

Hi guys, the anti-1080 programme is a thin tissue. It is maintained by a few people who have been successful at arguing the most absurd points simply because nobody critically checks what they say. They are not experts, not even particulalry skilled, and quite a few of them seen to have hearing problems when it comes to birds. There is plenty of opportunity for those who know how forests and birds function to balance the argument. Have a look at this: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7FAMKuywtk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7FAMKuywtk</a> Ian Gill (proud to work for DOC)

CeeJay on ""Celebrate New Zealand Native Bird and Ecosystems Recovery Day November 15 2009""

CeeJay — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:10:24 +0000

That's what the police are for. Otherwise we get government by intimidation and thuggery.

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auckland anne — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:17:10 +0000

I was going to suggest that any Conservators who sanction the use of 1080 in areas where it's controversial might be subject to becoming practice-material for keyhole surgical mining ...Or maybe they just don't really want themselves or their families to be held at gunpoint or their houses sprayed with graffitti?

CeeJay on ""Celebrate New Zealand Native Bird and Ecosystems Recovery Day November 15 2009""

CeeJay — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:26:55 +0000

Perhaps DOC has lost its mojo?

Tawaki on ""Celebrate New Zealand Native Bird and Ecosystems Recovery Day November 15 2009""

Tawaki — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:03:20 +0000

I have been advised that in Northland there hasn't been much controversy about 1080 use for nature conservation recently. Apparently the reason is that DOC Northland have backed off doing 1080 programmes over the critically vulnerable forests of Northland. Clearly that is one of the reasons why the Puketi Forest kokako population has collapsed. A QUESTION? If you are a DOC Conservator, under the DOC performance review protocols are you punished in your annual performance review MORE for having controversial forest restoration programmes that attract a lot of public debate and headlines OR MORE for the quiet loss of all the iconic bird and plant species that made your Conservancy a natural treasure. Are those Conservators brave enough to get stuck in and save threatened plants and animals through bold pest control programmes sufficiently recognised and rewarded??

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Tawaki — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:55:53 +0000

If the last 1080 treatment of Tongariro Forest was in 2006, 3 years ago and Nic Vallance reports that this year (2009) stoat predation is nearly back up to the pre-treatment level prior to 2006, what plans have DOC Tongariro-Taupo got to re-treat Tongariro Forest?

Tawaki on ""Celebrate New Zealand Native Bird and Ecosystems Recovery Day November 15 2009""

Tawaki — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:52:22 +0000

I'm asking this question again of any readers who have any ideas or scientific information that they can share. I think it is the critical information that we need if we are to save landscape scale blocks of fully interacting/functioning natural ecosystems on mainland NZ. I'm not interested in only seeing iconic species like kiwi on inaccessible offshore islands or fenced enclosures or zoos. We need to know if it is possible to save a full range of critically endangered species through a regular "HANDS OFF' forest pest treatment programme. Unless we can we are condemned to a labour intensive Operation Nest Egg regime tying up huge staff and financial resources. My rule of thumb for this work is that once they start giving the kiwis or the kakapos cutsey names, the species managers have lost the basic plot of saving natural ecosystems and instead become "zookeepers". Tongariro Kiwis: I'm told by DOC that there are an estimated 200 kiwis in Tongariro's 20,000 hectares. If we assume that say half of them breed each year that means there are 50 breeding pairs. At the normal, no pest control treatment, breeding rate of 5% it means that recruitment is about 2.5 new birds a year for the whole forest. With the 2006 1080 programme, breeding success increased in the first year 2007 to 69% so that an estimated 35 young kiwis were added to the population. I'm told that in the next year, 2008 the success rate dropped to around 50%-another 25 young birds-and Nic Vallance advises us that this year 2009 the success rate is right down so they have been rescuing young birds from this year. Lets say about 10 kiwi chicks make it. In total then the 2007 pulse of 1080 treatment resulted in a recruitment of about 70 new kiwis into the 200 strong Tongariro population. Natural deaths of old birds also need to be subtracted. Tongariro has a low kiwi density anyway compared to some lower altitude forests that haven't been logged. I'd be interested in knowing the cost:benefit comparison of restoring Tongariro Forest through regular whole forest 1080 treatment versus the cost of Operation Nest Egg rescuing of kiwi eggs and artificially hatching and breeding them up to "stoat resistant" size. Does any one have any numbers/costs for Operation Nest Egg? Of course the other key point is that with whole forest treatment of Tongariro there are benefits way beyond kiwi recovery. Whio, robin, fuchsia, insects, kereru will all be benefitting from the control of rats, possums and stoats. Operation Nest Egg only focuses on one species, the kiwi.

clairegreen on ""Celebrate New Zealand Native Bird and Ecosystems Recovery Day November 15 2009""

clairegreen — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:49:36 +0000

Great news about what a poor turnout there was to the November 15 PEST Free new Zealand Day.......apparently "Enuf is Enuf" blamed the poor weeather in Auckland last Sunday. Now that that diversionary side show is finished we can concentrate on saving NZ's vulnerable native plants and birds

Nic Vallance on ""Celebrate New Zealand Native Bird and Ecosystems Recovery Day November 15 2009""

Nic Vallance — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:00:03 +0000

Hi all, There's a great interview on Waiheke Radio with Phil Brown from the Auckland Area Office from the Department of Conservation on the wildlife deaths in the Hauraki Gulf, and the restoration project for Rangitoto and Motutapu. He also talks about the DVD "poisoning paradise". Definitely worth a listen if you're interested in the facts on this stuff. <a href="http://www.waihekeradio.org.nz/node/654" rel="nofollow">http://www.waihekeradio.org.nz/node/654</a> Cheers! Nic PS. 'off filming again soon for Meet the Locals (http://www.tvnz.co.nz/meet-the-locals ) this summer - this time a Seaweek special - lookin' forward to getting my feet wet! ; )

CeeJay on ""Celebrate New Zealand Native Bird and Ecosystems Recovery Day November 15 2009""

CeeJay — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:25:23 +0000

This is from the Federated Farmers website "1080 Still OK Federated Farmers joined other organisations (including DOC and Forest and Bird) to convince regulators of the benefits of continued use of 1080. Tuberculosis in cattle and deer herds has fallen by more than 90 percent in the past decade, largely thanks to possum control, and New Zealand is on track to be free of Tb by 2013 or earlier. 1080 is the backbone of the Tb eradication scheme and will continue to be used." Not just us public service type greenies, eh?

auckland anne on ""Celebrate New Zealand Native Bird and Ecosystems Recovery Day November 15 2009""

auckland anne — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:20:25 +0000

I think that this comment from another thread says a lot: "1080 has been used in New Zealand since the mid 1950s to control rabbits on farmland without a single human fatality. It's been only since 1080 has been to control possums and killing deer, that there has been any opposition to it. Perhaps a bit of honesty on the part of the opponents would be welcomed. I know that 1080 is cruel but no more so than when a animal is shot and wounded and takes days to die."

clairegreen on ""Celebrate New Zealand Native Bird and Ecosystems Recovery Day November 15 2009""

clairegreen — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:42:25 +0000

Please Please. The TV3 poll is running now in big favour of the anti-1080 folk. Please log on...see Mandy's website above-and vote!!

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clairegreen — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:02:59 +0000

From a University Student's perspective, thanks Mandy for telling us about the TV3 story. It is really fascinating that the TV3 1080 poll has 61% of the respondents supporting the ongoing use of 1080 to control pests and save native forest and birds. Congratulations to John Stanilands,. Gillian Pollock and Gerry McSweeney for posting comments about just how vital it is to keep up the pest control work if we are to continue to save our native birds and forests. There is a lot of anti 1080 emotion but it is fantastic to see just how many ordinary and passionate New Zealanders understand that we have to take urgent action on pest control if we are to save those things that make NZ special. It was great to see the DOC woman in the story explain why kiwi chicks don't have a future unless we keep doing pest control with 1080. Well done Forest and Bird Members and keep up the great work DOC and the Animal Health Board !!

Mandy on ""Celebrate New Zealand Native Bird and Ecosystems Recovery Day November 15 2009""

Mandy — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:00:06 +0000

TVNZ is doing a poll on 1080. To vote go here - <a href="http://www.3news.co.nz/TVShows/60Minutes/tabid/88/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.3news.co.nz/TVShows/60Minutes/tabid/88/Default.aspx</a>

Nic Vallance on ""Celebrate New Zealand Native Bird and Ecosystems Recovery Day November 15 2009""

Nic Vallance — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:29:05 +0000

Hi all, in case you missed it, here's the interview with Laurence Gordon and Bill Fleury. it tackles many of the main criticisms of 1080, and addresses them. <a href="http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Audio/tabid/109/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Audio/tabid/109/Default.aspx</a> click on Saturday, then find 11.30am. the interview runs for half an hour - so you may have to click on the 11.45am one after you've heard the first part. Cheers, Nic

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Tawaki — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:03:15 +0000

Tongariro Kiwis: I'm told by DOC that there are an estimated 200 kiwis in Tongariro's 20,000 hectares. If we assume that say half of them breed each year that means there are 50 breeding pairs. At the normal, no pest control treatment, breeding rate of 5% it means that recruitment is about 2.5 new birds a year for the whole forest. With the 2007 1080 programme, breeding success increased in the first year to 69% so that an estimated 35 young kiwis were added to the population. I'm told that in the next year, 2008 the success rate dropped to around 50%-another 25 young birds-and Nic Vallance advises us that this year 2009 the success rate is right down so they have been rescuing young birds from this year. Lets say about 10 kiwi chicks make it. In total then the 2007 pulse of 1080 treatment resulted in a recruitment of about 70 new kiwis into the 200 strong Tongariro population. Natural deaths of old birds also need to be subtracted. Tongariro has a low kiwi density anyway compared to some lower altitude forests that haven't been logged. I'd be interested in knowing the cost:benefit comparison of restoring Tongariro Forest through regular whole forest 1080 treatment versus the cost of Operation Nest Egg rescuing of kiwi eggs and artificially hatching and breeding them up to "stoat resistant" size. Does any one have any numbers/costs for Operation Nest Egg? Of course the other key point is that with whole forest treatment of Tongariro there are benefits way beyond kiwi recovery. Whio, robin, fuchsia, insects, kereru will all be benefitting from the control of rats, possums and stoats. Operation Nest Egg only focuses on one species, the kiwi.

Nic Vallance on ""Celebrate New Zealand Native Bird and Ecosystems Recovery Day November 15 2009""

Nic Vallance — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:10:14 +0000

Update: Bill Fleury will be speaking on the RadioLive show too - probably arond 11.45am. For an update on just what this man knows about pest control stuff - see here (although its a few years old now) <a href="http://www.doc.govt.nz/publications/conservation/threats-and-impacts/animal-pests/1080-in-action/hard-campaigner" rel="nofollow">http://www.doc.govt.nz/publications/conservation/threats-and-impacts/animal-pests/1080-in-action/hard-campaigner</a>

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auckland anne — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:09:28 +0000

"And think reasonably about the people who are standing by and watching me tear you to shreds, Mr Kiwi, they're being such caring greenies that they're protecting the country's "Clean Green" image, just not you. They love nature so very very much; you're just collateral damage killed by friendly fire; so sorry...."

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Tawaki — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:06:20 +0000

PFNZ Day November 15. How about us also calling it "Pest Free New Zealand Day" as an aspirational goal. Great to see the photo of the kiwi chicks Nic. We had a launch at Wellington last night and discussed the Tongariro kiwis in some detail. The Forest and Bird Patron, the Governor General and his wife were in attendance as were lots of conservation dignataries but unfortunately no Government Ministers or MPs. Peter Dunne a minor Government Minister and Wellingtom MP who should have seen the benefit of Karori Sanctuary and his Regional Council's pest control efforts all around Wellington accepted to come. But he cancelled at the last minute. Maybe he wasn't prepared to face Forest and Bird when earlier in the day (Nov 11) he had thrown all his weight behind the silly PFNZ Day. I'm not quite sure how Dunne and his United Future party propose to save our native birds and ecosystems from destruction by pests. Maybe they don't care. Perhaps as the party once notorious for saying "Commonsense" and "reasonableness" as many times as possible to win public suport, United Future expect the stoats to use the United Future terminology when they go on a killing rampage: "Excuse me Mr Kiwi. I'm about to bite your head off but I'd like you to show some commonsense and be reasonable about dying!"

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auckland anne — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:42:37 +0000

Great photo Nic. Just a quick point about Graeme Hill's radio show (I only learned this myself recently). But they have a cool facility on their Radio Live website where they record the programmes for the next seven days and you can play them back if you know what date and time. Really good if you miss the actual broadcast, or for people who can't get the radio station at all. Here's their website - Graeme Hill's programme is about 11.30 on each Saturday as far as I can remember. <a href="http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Audio/tabid/109/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Audio/tabid/109/Default.aspx</a> PS Great to see the headline on an invitation to a soon-to-be-held annual event - Celebrate the Rangitoto/Motutapu control of pests and other conservation achievements in 2009. Let's not forget the positives.. conservation can be a thankless job at the best of times and we need to celebrate the good points not just focus on the perceived negatives. And those two kiwi chicks above are reason to feel good.

Nic Vallance on ""Celebrate New Zealand Native Bird and Ecosystems Recovery Day November 15 2009""

Nic Vallance — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:08:54 +0000

Hi all, Graeme Hill (Radio Live weekend variety wireless) will be interviewing the dedicated conservationist Laurence Gordon who has spent many years working on pest control and restoration of some of our wild places - such as the Mangatutu Valley. He's had particular success in pest control to benefit kokako, and is quoted as saying, "I owe no allegiance to anyone - not DOC, Environment Waikato or the Animal Health Board; no-one except the birds and my volunteers" in a May 16 "Your Weekend" story on him earlier this year. Graeme's interviewing him live in the studio - there'll be plenty on the significance of pest control for the benefit of native wildlife - Graeme asked me to pass it on. When: Nov 14th 11.30am What station: Radio Live <a href="http://www.box.net/shared/vfxsqpvh2s" rel="nofollow">http://www.box.net/shared/vfxsqpvh2s</a> <a href="http://www.box.net/services/ipaper_by_scribd/102/354622154/b54cc7/Ten_out_of_1080/shared/vfxsqpvh2s" rel="nofollow">http://www.box.net/services/ipaper_by_scribd/102/354622154/b54cc7/Ten_out_of_1080/shared/vfxsqpvh2s</a> (hope that link works). For your interest. Cheers, Nic. PS. I helped rescue two five-day old kiwi chicks from Tongariro Forest Park yesterday... kiwi survival was 69% following a 1080 operation in 2006, and it stayed high for two years - but now the pests are sneaking back in, and last season was shocking for chick survival. on average, we're losing nine out of ten kiwi chicks without pest control. Good to know we saved these two!

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auckland anne — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:13:08 +0000

How many times does it need to be said? The brodifacoum used at Rangitoto and Motutapu did NOT kill the marine life!! Good grief, we don't even know if the traces of the chemical found in two of the penguins originated from that drop or not. How can people even make those accusations without any hard evidence? What it seems to me to be what we're being asked to do, is taihoa, and sit back and have a cup of tea while alternatives to aerial 1080 drops are found, and then hope like hell that there's still native flora and fauna to be saved while we've fiddled. I find this attitude just unbelievably callous and self-interested...

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Enuf_is_Enuf — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:37:43 +0000

Hello all, I am a little taken aback at the defensive aggression that this issue seems to provoke from Forest and Bird supporters. Just to clarify, we are opposed to the uncontrolled aerial dropping of poisons within New Zealand. This has nothing to do with the medical field where individuals have the choice of whether to be exposed to a chemical or not and where its intention is to save lives rather than take them in a particularly cruel way. Accessibility is just one of a myriad of issues relating to the aerial application of poisons. Reducing aerial dropping to the inaccessible areas would simply be one step towards our goal. A start only. Major tourist destinations such as Rangitoto Island and Motutapu Island in the Hauraki Gulf within which our largest city is located cannot be termed inaccessible and yet it has recently been aerially dropped on resulting in the deaths of marine life. As everyone knows, there are always two sides to every arguement and we want to show the other side to the one DoC has presented to the public. We want to generate a healthy debate, inform people, encourage questions and the pursuit of balance and truth. I encourage all of you to simply watch the documentary "Poisoning Paradise", do some research outside of that presented by those who promote the use of aerial poisoning and make your own inquiries. Be fully informed. We are just as passionate about protecting the environment and ensuring the futures of our wildlife as you are. We believe there are better ways.The aerial dropping of poisons has undesirable side effects for our environment, health and native wildlife. There are better, safer, cheaper and more humane methods of protecting our environment. The group’s aim is to have all aerial dropping of poisons abolished immediately and replaced with sustainable alternative pest eradication and trapping programs. Under these methods our native wildlife can thrive. There are examples. We want to work with people to achieve the best possible result for New Zealand. We are not nasty people, we simply want to open people's eyes. We are NOT trying to let our dear country get overrun with possums, to allow the spread of said TB, or to hinder the economy. We simply want AERIAL drops banned. On that note I will graciously sign out and won't revist this forum. Regards, Thomas Greve <a href="mailto:thomas@enufisenuf.co.nz">thomas@enufisenuf.co.nz</a>

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auckland anne — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:29:10 +0000

Sorry to keep up with the medicinal chemicals(aka "poison") imagery, but I've always found it fascinating that argument about when a chemical is a medicine and when is it a poison? Especially when you consider something like Warfarin which is actually sold commercially and unrestricted for killing household rodents and at the same time used to prevent blood clots and strokes in people. Hmmm. Anyway, when I was researching anti-cancer drugs (which resulted from a degree in Zoology and Biology and things ecological - go figure!!) we used to semi-joke that if people kept smoking after diagnosis of cancer, then they went to the back of the waiting-line for treatment. Now there's another criterion it appears - "Have you ever protested about "poisons"?". It'd help make our health waiting-lists shorter I guess!! But an aside really - doing what we can in as best way we can to stop native species from being obliterated is the key argument here.

Nic Vallance on ""Celebrate New Zealand Native Bird and Ecosystems Recovery Day November 15 2009""

Nic Vallance — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:38:13 +0000

Hi all, Great to see some good discussion going on in here. Speaking as a public servant myself - I'm passionate about protection of our native wildlife from the nightly battle they face to survive against an onslaught of introduced pests and predators. I'm afraid that passion doesn't just 'turn off' at the end of the day when i leave work. I'm also a bit lucky in that through my job i've travelled throughout NZ and seen where pest control is saving the lives of native wildlife - and also seen places where the lack of pest control is leaving forests lacking the many birds and other animals that comprise our natural heritage. Someone sent me a link to this video this morning featuring interviews with DOC rangers in the field doing the work, and there's some great stuff in there. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6tLQv7Fa2A" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6tLQv7Fa2A</a>

CeeJay on ""Celebrate New Zealand Native Bird and Ecosystems Recovery Day November 15 2009""

CeeJay — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:14:52 +0000

What does Enuf_is Enuf have against public servants?