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  1. Anti-1080 activists are trying to outlaw this banner showing predator problems for NZ’s birds. Three activists from Kaikora, Nelson and Kumara near Greymouth have been writing letters to editors claiming that DOC is using it to deceive the public. The banner’s main photo is a world-class one, by David Mudge, showing thrush chicks being killed and eaten by a possum and a rat. The other photos show a rat eating a fantail, a kiwi killed by a dog, a kiwi egg eaten by a possum, a takahe killed by a stoat, native snails killed by possums and bird habitat wrecked by possums. Even though the banner shows what is well documented anti-1080 activists are trying to get it banned.

    Ian Gill (DOC)

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  2. Tawaki
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    Great banner Ian and great to see the energy that you are putting into saving our natural heritage.

    I have been talking to a range of bird and plant ecologists all around NZ over the last week. In the absence of any long term solution, there is consensus that extensively applied 1080--generally using helicopters--is by far the most effective way of saving vulnerable species throughout mainland NZ.

    Several key reasons for this are that it can be applied in one hit at crucial times of the year over huge areas rapidly. This creates a large pest free zone where pest reinvasion is therefore slower.

    It is cost effective.

    It achieves integrated pest control. The alternatives have a range of problems. If you trap stoats you don't get possums (which continue killing the trees) and you are likely to get rat and mice explosions. You simply can't practically trap large rat populations. If you trap possums (or use Ferratox to kill them) then you might remove some possums but you are feeding rats and stoats both of which eat possum bodies.

    Yellowhead in the Catlins (NZ's stronghold for the species) are thriving thanks to 1080.

    Poweliphanta snails in Golden Bay-Kahurangi owe their future to 1080

    Kiwi in the Waimak are enormously benefitting from 1080.

    And the rata...the rata..what a magnificent display thanks to 46 years of 1080 operations.!!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. Hi Tawaki

    how integrated is 1080 with the control of pests other than opposum? I get the feeling that the use of 1080 to control mustelids and rats is a new idea, and the "one hit at crucial times" is also an emerging strategy?

    www.waiheke.tv

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. Speargrass
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    Hang on here ..... the Catlins, Kisbee and the upper Dart Caples areas have all had different poison programs tried in the past 5 years. Even Barry Lawrence the head of Ark in the Dart Caples says that we are still struggling to find an effective program to suppress rats and mice. There is no integrated or best practise yet for rats, mice and mustilids.
    Now I will take correction just show me the science please.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. DOC had very successful rat/mustilid controls in the Maruia and the Landsborough using prefeed followed by 1080 this season. This is a link to the parakeet monitoring in the Maruia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_NyKhnntvo

    Ian Gill (DOC)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. Speargrass
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    Come on Ian,

    Monitoring a dozen nests is science ? that was a feel good fuzzy vid and about as valid as the anti 1080 vids.

    Where is the data on the Landsborough ? I have been in there a bit and know when the drop was, has checking been done already ?

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  7. Yes, Speargrass, it's good science; we know that parakeet populations get hammered during rat irruptions. The rodent monitoring shows we nailed the rats at the right time with 1080. The parakeet monitoring confirms considerable nesting success thanks to 1080 in a situation where this level of survival would not be expected. In the Landsborough five-minute bird counts were done post operation and there was nothing untoward in the results. Counts have been done there for many years, so there is excellent data for comparison. Damn good science, actually.

    Ian Gill (DOC)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. auckland anne
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    Speaking of rats I see there's an outbreak of the little rodents in the lower Sth (it was an article about Dunedin area I think I saw), so I guess there'll be more domestic use of rat poison, so more rats will possibly have the chemical in their system, and it brought to mind a suggestion made about how it got maybe into some of the penguins that died and were sent for autopsy up here at Hauraki Gulf - lots of rat-bait used around the Auckland wharves, dead rats floating in the sea and eaten by penguins...the result, traces of rat poison in them and the finger being pointed at DoC's pest control operations. Also important to include that it wasn't the presence of small amounts of this poison that killed the penguins, before anyone jumps to the wrong conclusion. Evidenced by the many little blues that died and were washed up on the Taranaki Coast from starvation.
    Anyway, looks like rat numbers is an increasing problem, so we'd better get on top of that one fast!!

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  9. auckland anne
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    This should give you all (especially mainlanders??) a laugh. I just googled to try and find that news item re rats in Dunedin - google delivered me an article "Dunedin is a cold hole, and Auckland is a rat-race".

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. Speargrass
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    I would like to know if tunnel track counts were done ? what is that data, spare me the "we counted the birds singing and they are all there" stuff unless you want to be lumped in with the dodgy anti 1080 science. If you kill rats then you should look for rats afterward. Rats have been around a long time there are records of rats swarming into miners camps in the Shotover and eating everything literally, 100 years ago they did not turn up in the hills 10 years ago.
    Rats and mice have only 2 population states refuge and explosion. It is important to recognise and study that cycle that before making sweeping claims that 1080 will work and is integrated, unless you are resigned to dropping 1080 every few years everywhere.
    1080 is not doing very well down here it was dropped in ARK Dart/Caples in 2005 and again in 2009 because the rats and mice were back, 1080 drops bought 4 years, barely. Having to do the job again and again and again is not what I call a success. How many KM2 of 1080 do we aerial drop a year ?

    This taken from docs website.

    Where does DOC use 1080?
    DOC does around 560,000 ha of pest control annually. Most of this is ground based (trapping and poisoning). 150,000 ha is aerial 1080, used in challenging country where the other options are not cost effective. DOC’s aerial 1080 operations cover less than two per cent of public conservation land.

    When correctly applied, 1080 is very effective. One aerial application can kill 98% of possums and more than 90% of rats in the targeted area. These successful knock-down rates provide vulnerable native birds with a crucial breeding window to raise chicks through to fledging, increasing their survival rate.

    end of info
    Only killing 90% of your rats and mice is a failure, they bounce back as quickly as the birds once beech mast kicks in. That 90% was going to die of starvation anyway, I have had the little sods eat into my pack on the ground in broad daylight they are that hungry in explosion state.
    It just does not stack up 710 km2 poisoned a year covering 2% of PCL, to cover the whole PCL by rotation would take 50 years.
    What we have now is high value areas protected by repeated 1080 and everything else is left to itself.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. Yes, Speragrass, tunnel tracking was done at both locations, I did some of it myself in the Landsborough. But, you miss the point about rat control. It's about suppressing the rats when a plague build-up is detected to give nesting birds a chance during a breeding season. You can't eradicate rats but you can knock them down to such low numbers that they don't threaten the birds. The parakeet monitoring in the Maruia shows this has been successful. Likewise the birdcall counts in the Landsborough. In both places the rats were smashed at the right time... birds doing well... job done. Incidentally, you can't do that without using biodegradable 1080.

    Landsborough video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_5fPb5QxDU

    Ian Gill (DOC)

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  12. Speargrass
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    Cool I would be very concerned if we were paying people to poison and monitoring success by listening to the birds, thats a nice thing but what figure did the tunnel tracking reveal. 80% 90% 95% how effective was it ? is smashed 99% or 90% ?
    So we are going to continue 1080 everywhere every beech mast, is that the plan.

    Here is a thought, why not kill all the rats in some of those alpine valleys, use the geography to advantage, rats cannot long survive in areas of mean temps below 2 degrees celcius. Throw in a containment line trap and poison the mouths of the valleys continously and destroy the isolated refuge pockets further up the valley.
    The mouths of the valleys are usually more accessible why not try this ? or are we stuck in the "wait a few years and we will 1080 it again" mentality.

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  13. Tawaki
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    It has already been happening at widespread locations. There have been brilliant results from taking a "whole valley integrated pest control " approach to restoring the vulnerable plants that are a key to bird nutrition (rata, mistletoe, fuchsia, Halls totara and beech species ) and to restoring the vulnerable bird and invertebrate species.

    It is a no brainer and it has really surprised me that DOC Conservancies beyond the West Coast have been so slow to implement the "whole valley" approach that has been so successful for DOC on the West Coast. It is great to see DOC Nelson-Marlborough doing widespread work as are DOC Wanganui and now DOC Southland.

    The Landsborough, the Moeraki-Whakapohai-Abbey Rocks, Hope, Kelly's Creek, Otira , Deception and (finally) much of the Hawdon come under this category. Here the regular 1080 programmes cover the whole valley and are applied when trap data and tracking tunnel indicate that pest levels have reached a defined threshhold where control is needed. The treatment programme needs to be applied right to the ridge crest, thereby reducing the re-invasion rate from the tops or the next door valley. The entrance to the valley can also be trapped and monitored to reduce/control the re-invasion rate into the whole valley.

    The plant result are stunning as is the bird recovery of species such as blue duck, kaka, pigeon, parakeet.

    The work is comparatively cost effective too compared to ground based methods.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. kukupa
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    G'day TrakaBat
    Awesome Banner. Is it possible to buy one of these for my local forest?(the people of Northland need educating!)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. Tawaki
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    The anti-pest control, anti-1080 campaigners who wanted to ban the DOC/Trakabat's banner outlining the benefits of 1080 have themselves run into planning trouble.

    They erected anti 1080 signs all along Highway 6 down the West Coast without any planning consent and using internationally recognised signage inappropriately.

    Westland District Council has given them 2 days to remove all the placards.

    Congratulatrions Westland District.

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  16. Kukupa, yes, just contact your local DOC office and ask them to send me your e-mail address.

    cheers

    Ian Gill (DOC West Coast)

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