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"Celebrate New Zealand Native Bird and Ecosystems Recovery Day November 15 2009"

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  1. Tawaki
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    The campaigners against effective pest control in our native forests are calling for a "Poison Free New Zealand Day" on November 15.

    I think that those of us who love native birds, native forests filled with vulnerable native plants such as fuchsia, puriri, mistletoe, rata and kohekohe and healthy natural ecosystems should have an alternative celebration:

    "Celebrate New Zealand Native Bird and Ecosystems Recovery Day November 15 2009"

    What do you think?

    Here is what our local anti-pest control folk are planning:

    A nationwide Poison Free New Zealand Day has been organised - see below for Haast information - please contact me if you have any questions.

    Haast Poison Free NZ Day 15 November 2009
    Aotearoa Gemstones
    Tahutahi Road
    Haast Township
    Ph 03 7500 728
    Hours 9am -6pm

    Sunday 15 November 2009 is New Zealand Poison Free Day. You can view The Graf Brothers latest documentary "Poisoning Paradise", learn more about the application and effects of 1080, listen to the newly released song by top international artists, and sign our nationwide petition. You can also purchase Kate Winters "Scenic Dream or Silent Nightmare" instore. If you would like any further information regarding the Poison Free Day please feel free to visit - www.enufisenuf.co.nz or www.stop1080poison.com or phone Mirielle.

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  2. CeeJay
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    How about:

    1 "I love TB" day; or
    2 "Let's gut shoot a deer" day; or
    3 "Bugger the scientists and their evidence" day?

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  3. Hmmm.. How do I respond to this?
    Firstly, I will state that I am the Nationwide Protest Coordinator for the upcoming rallies on November 15.

    Now that we have that in the open, I would like to say these few things:
    Firstly, my house is surrounded by bird houses and I love my new little neighbours.

    I have not killed willingly for 9 years, not even an ant. I live a healthy and balanced life and feel I see the world with open eyes.

    Up until I hit hard financial times, I was also a member of Forest and Bird (feel free to check my membership - Thomas Greve, Waiheke Island. As soon as I'm upright again, I shall rejoin.

    We at Poison Free New Zealand KNOW that "pest" eradication IS REQUIRED to help protect our native species; however we feel that dropping 1080 and brodifacoum is not the answer.

    While you read the rest of my post, think about this:
    1080 was patented as a pesticide in 1927.

    When such toxins are indiscriminately dropped from moving aircraft, the poison lands where gravity sends it. Being an insecticide, it leeches into the soils. The soils where all the little critters live that native birds like Kiwi eat.

    Maybe one or two poisoned critters is OK for a kiwi, but aerial drops every few years can not be good.

    DoC state that there is evidence that the reproductive organs are damaged of mildly poisoned birds. This hinders their ability to bounce back in terms of numbers.

    We all know that some native animals are poisoned, but most people accept that this must happen for the greater good. What DoC and ERMA are NOT telling you is something that is very obvious when you stop and think about it for one minute....

    We know that possums and rats breed like rabbits. In fact, they breed much faster than birds. They have young multiple times per year (and up to 8 at a time), where as most birds breed once a year (often only yielding one or two offspring)

    Therefore it is logical that if you drop poison that kills birds and pest, the pests will bounce back MUCH FASTER than the ones we are trying to save.

    Announcements have just been made that Lord Howe Island is going to experience the wonders of aerial drops. The powers that be have had the foresight to remove all the critters they wish to save (into a holding pen for 100 days). Sounds crazy? If you can catch all those critters, why not catch all the pests instead, rather than drop insecticide onto the ground, thus killing the bottom of the food chain and anything that eats those poor bugs and insects.

    The whole point of our protests is to stop AERIAL drops. There are better ways. Ways that will a) reduce unemployment b) create new industries c) save money d) stop further damage to our soils e) not kill a single non-target species f) not poison our waterways (and the list goes on).

    We know that something has to be done. We are NOT asking for a TOTAL BAN. We simply want aerial dropping to be stopped.

    What is wrong with bait stations? There are even self-resetting ones that crush the skulls of their victims. Why not let hunters do the work for the rest of the tax payers instead of the tax payers paying for something that is harmful to forest, bird, environment and animal.

    I highly recommend that you take the time to find the truth for yourself.

    Now, I know.... you're thinking "hey, he hasn't killed anything in 9 years, but he is advocating skull-crashing-self-resetting bait stations".

    Yes, you have a point. But I am realistic in my goals for the wildlife of this country (and any country for that matter)(see www.pele.vu - a non-profit organisation my wife and I set up to help the people, forests and critters in Vanuatu).

    The people I am working with at Poison Free New Zealand (not a company - Just a group of people with the same goal) who all care. In fact, our downfall is that we care tooo much.

    Ask yourself one more question, and ponder it a while. "What is wrong with letting the hunters, the unemployed and volunteers setting bait stations in an effort to make a difference?"

    I think governments (and their agencies) have become so money hungry, lazy (and fat) that it is easier to spiel off some propaganda and then FLY helicopters to drop poisons than it is to think about the future and do something that seems logical and benefits everyone, INCLUDING those at Forest and Bird.

    In closing, I ask that you a) ask yourself if you really believe everything DoC tells you b) think about what I have said - does it really sound that wacko? c) visit our website d) show up at one of the protest rallies and hear the other side of the debate. We won't bite you (unless you bite us first).

    One goal that suits all ! Easy as that !

    Thanks for reading.

    Feel free to contact me: thomas at enuf is enuf dot co dot nz

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  4. Sorry, I also meant to respond to CeeJay's comments:
    [quote]
    1 "I love TB" day; or
    2 "Let's gut shoot a deer" day; or
    3 "Bugger the scientists and their evidence" day?
    [end quote]

    [my response]
    1 When was the last reported case of TB?
    2 option one is to shot. option two is to poison it, and wait four days to the seizures to eventually kill it
    3 There is actually MORE evidence in the international community that shows it should NOT be used. 1080 has been banned by the vast majority of countries and in fact, the only country that still makes 1080 is closing the factory down within the next few years. The NZ government then wants to manufacture if here. Not in my back yard they WON'T
    [end of my response]

    P.S Rather than spending BILLIONS of dollars every YEAR on drops, why don't they invest that money into finding a way to virally sterilize the pests? Too easy? Brain to small to think of such a good idea? Or maybe because the two ministerial departments own the company that imports 1080.

    Oh, and one last thing (before I go to bed)(1am already)...
    A few years ago, we all believed that war in Afghanistan and Iraq was necessary. Not long after that, we all looked back and thought just how stupid THOSE people were for believing such a stupid think. HUH... weapons of mass destruction.

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  5. CeeJay, I see that you are a public servant.

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  6. Piwakawaka
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    Our native wildlife is in total and utter peril due to introduced predators. It is our responsibility to make sure our natural heritage has a chance to survive.

    And it's important to understand that laying bait stations or traps in some areas is just not feasible.

    There's a really good wee video about Mohua in the Landsborough and how integrated management has stopped its slide towards extinction.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_5fPb5QxDU

    And as for the impacts these predators are having on our native wildlife, feel free to check out...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33XwTnfNoR8 (watch how hard the kokako fights for survival there).

    http://predatortraps.com/facts_videos.htm

    When we know that when predators are around, 95% of kiwi chicks don't survive, 40% of kea nests are wiped out (whole families), and kaka populations are reduced to old males - thereby becoming functionally extinct... we cannot afford to do nothing. Nor can we afford to stop and wait for the 'silver bullet' to come along.

    The NZ Geographic article on 1080 this year is worth a read Thomas - and it has some great reporting on the years and years of science that's gone into the use of it - as well as a look at what the Govt is doing to fund research into alternative ideas like sterilisation vaccines etc.

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  7. auckland anne
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    Sorry to make mock, Enuf-is-enuf, but "one goal that suits us all" sounds like something from the movies..one in particular. And as for having one goal that suits us all - my good ol' mum said that you can never please all the people all the time - "just long enough to become the president of the United States" according to Kurt Vonnegut.

    And no, I don't necessarily believe all that DoC tells us all the time, but it's WAY more than just DoC who advocates for the use and comparative safety to humans of 1080.

    Finally, surely it is "aerial 1080 Free NZ", not "poison free NZ" - there's heaps of 'poisons'/toxins which are used in say human medicine that I'm sure you'd take up if in a position where it was use them or die. Always remember a friend when she was having chemotherapy for ovarian cancer that killed her, likening having the chemo to using 1080. You may not otherwise choose to have it in your body but if it keeps you alive while they can find an alternative....So please don't be so quick to judge....No-one seems to be advocating for the use of 1080 forever; more until an alternative is found we have to keep a check on those pests which trapping can't get to. We value our native wildlife that much that we need to be doing something til something else better comes along. Sort of like clinical trialling of medicinal drugs on humans really. You claim to be pragmatic and practical - surely you can see the sense in what I've just said...

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  8. auckland anne
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    Oh, apologies, should've added BTW, even though I can't quite see how my occupation enters into this debate, it's obviously important to E-i-E, so just saying that I'm not a public servant.

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  9. Thanks for the responses.
    Just quickly (and then I'll move on). Public Servant = (often) just doing my job.

    Kiri Te Kanawa is the Patron of Puketi Forest Trust http://www.puketi.org.nz/damekiri.html and they successfully manage their land without the use of aerial poisons. If I'm not mistaken, it's 16,000ha.

    If you acknowledge that "No-one seems to be advocating for the use of 1080 forever; more until an alternative is found we have to keep a check on those pests which trapping can't get to."........

    You should be out there with us protesting. Pushing for a change. NZ has been dropping poisons for decades. With public pressure, some of the funds used for the drops could be directed to research.

    The reason we chose the name Poison Free New Zealand is because we want to use the established name to help other organisations with their causes/goals.

    We're looking for a silver bullet, but in the meantime, we'll take ANY change we can get. Even if it means that ONLY the hard-to-get-to places are done aerially. You see, they drop everywhere. Along walking tracks, on flats.... you name it, they drop it.

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  10. Tawaki
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    "we'll take ANY change we can get. Even if it means that ONLY the hard-to-get-to places are done aerially. You see, they drop everywhere. Along walking tracks, on flats.... you name it, they drop it."

    A very interesting post from Enuf is Enuf that tells us that the coordinator of PFNZ day is prepared to go along with aerial 1080 treatment to save threatened native plants and wildlife in the "hard-to-get-to places".

    I agree with this person so it really then comes down to both "Enuf is enuf" and the nature conservation movement agreeing to define what the pest control purpose and measurable outcomes should be of any operation and where ground based methods or aerial methods are best used.

    This is exactly what happens through the resource consent process for pest control operations managed by the different Regional Councils. The matters above are all considered and discussed and for notified applications, submissions are invited. Some even have public hearings. This is democracy in action. To my knowledge, the outcome from these hearings has always been a mix of approvals for ground based methods in accessible places and aerial operations in the "hard-to-get-to places"

    I completely disagree with Enuf is Enuf's claim that "they drop it everywhere"

    Where pest control programmes are used, the operators do their humanly best to operate within the strict conditions of their resource consents. There have been mistakes but remember 'to err is human, to forgive is divine".

    There is no doubt that the skill and precision of aerial operations has improved enormously in recent years, Perhaps the single greatest help with this has been GPS technology. Operators now know exactly where they are at any point in time. Their flight data, downloaded during the operation, also allows them to identify whether any places were missed and they can return and re-treat those areas to avoid leaving a pocket of pests to reinvade the surrounding pest free country.

    Where 1080 and brodifacoum operations are used to combat Bovine TB, a devastating disease for any beef, deer or dairy farmer, the control operations do generally target native forest alongside farmland. They have to. The objective is to stop TB infected possums coming out from the forest onto pasture and infecting stock. The infected possums cough up the TB spores onto the grass and the stock ingest those spores and get infected.

    Farming generally takes place on easier country and is often surrounded by very steep forested hills. This is especially the case on the West Coast, Wairarapa, Horowhenua and King Country. For many of these places, aerial operations are the only practical means of TB possum control.

    DOC's operations for nature conservation purposes are also generally on very rugged inaccessible country. Again helicopter based pest control operations are the only practical means. The other huge advantage of these over foot based methods, especially where a pre-feed is used, is that you can treat a large area all in a day or two without leaving any pockets of rats, possums or stoats that will reinvade the cleared areas. The larger the area you treat, the slower the pest re-invasion rate.

    Look at the DOC Landsborough Video (see Piwakawaka's post above) to see just how rugged the country is where DOC are now successfully saving mohua, red and scarlet mistletoe, whio/blue duck and kaka. With a very skilled pilot, the late Morgan Saxton, I flew over the Landsborough forests with former Minister Chris Carter in 2005 to view the mistletoe in flower. Whole hillsides blanketed with silver beech were festooned with thousands of red mistletoe plants. The mistletoe often covered up to 50% of the beech tree. No wonder kaka spend around 60% of their feeding time feeding on mistletoe during its spring flowering season. Not surprisingly, because of the tragic destruction of mistletoe by possums and kaka predation by stoats and possums, kaka everywhere are now in desperate trouble except on pest free offshore islands and in those places where there are active pest control programmes.

    Please DOC and Animal Health Board keep up your very effective pest control work. We all appreciate it.

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  11. auckland anne
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    We can't all join together and say "No" to 1080, I'm afraid Enuf-is-Enuf. We NEED to have both voices if things are to progress efficiently. One voice saying "yes" to 1080 in "hard to get to places", and other voices calling for research into alternatives. Everyone has their place, after all - it's just a crying shame when people get angry and their insults are personal as a lot seem to get. And I really like that you're not going there.
    I support the use of 1080 in order to protect our native species of flora and fauna; I also liked a quote I saw from another pro-1080 advocate, who said that the anti-1080 lobby is doing a vital job in getting the powers that be to research alternatives as quickly as possible.
    In the meantime we'd be absolutely negligent ignoring pests in areas where aerial 1080 is the most effective control - and silly too, cos we'd have nothing to save by 'alternative' or any method and we'd have spent all that time and money on researching something not needed any more.
    I won't be joining any "Poison Free NZ Day" I'm afraid - too many of my friends actually rely on "poisons" to keep themselves alive.

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  12. Piwakawaka
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    It is so great to finally see people starting to stand up for the protection of our native wildlife - it's been far too quiet on that front - which has resulted in intimidation tactics by the vociferous opponents.

    I'm all for people having their view, but when it turns into hijacking helicopters, threatening pest control staff and their families, public humiliation and physical violence - that's a step too far in my mind... sadly all of the things i've mentioned have occurred by the opponents of 1080.

    And I'm all for celebrating the comeback of our native wildlife due to pest control. There's some wonderful examples out there to be celebrated too.

    It also might be worth remembering that every single success story of our native wildlife hinges on a pest-free environment. Kakapo. Black robins. Kokako. Hihi. Giant weta. Tuatara...

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  13. auckland anne
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    I'd say that a lot of that sort of petulant behaviour is like kiddies holding their breath and stamping the floor cause they aren't getting their own way. It seems to me after having listened to some of the 'arguing', that a not insignificant amount of that dubious behaviour comes as a form of 'giving the govt the fingers"...as opposed to anything to do with conservation.
    There's a huge difference between holding a particular point of view and using it to justify abusive behaviour.
    Intimidation and emotional blackmail - get a life!! It demeans the person's arguments.... Or maybe it's their only chance to be Indiana Jones?!
    But it's good to remember too that not all the people worried about 1080 stoop to that sort of carry-on.

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  14. Tawaki
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    There is a lot to celebrate in nature conservation on November 15, our celebrate NZ biodiversity day. It isn't just about saving native birds either.

    Today I visited the Lance McCaskill Nature Reserve at Castle Hill with a group of tourists. I met there two DOC biodiversity rangers who, on a hot Sunday afternoon, were fixing up a fence. This protects what was, until it was re-classified by the plant taxonomists, the world's rarest buttercup species, Castle Hill buttercup. Now it is the world's rarest sub species.

    It was great to learn from the DOC rangers that there are now over 200 clumps of this buttercup growing inside the nature reserve. Part of the success in saving this plant, that numbered as low as 30 plants in 1948, has been weed control as well as fencing out stock and hares. Hand weeding is used to remove competing chewing's fescue where there are light infestations of this English grass. But this grass is incredibly aggressive.

    The key to achieving the biggest ever boost in the numbers of this rare buttercup, has been the use of Roundup to spray back the massive swards of the English grass and open up the bare limestone soil. This gives the endangered buttercup, Colenso's forget-me-not and an endangered scurvy grass (Lepidium) space to grow where before they were being smothered to death.

    Chemicals(called poisons by some) can be valuable conservation tools used carefully with a defined purpose. As Anne said they are also particularly vital if you are fighting cancer and chemotherapy is your only option.

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  15. CeeJay
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    What does Enuf_is Enuf have against public servants?

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  16. Hi all,
    Great to see some good discussion going on in here. Speaking as a public servant myself - I'm passionate about protection of our native wildlife from the nightly battle they face to survive against an onslaught of introduced pests and predators. I'm afraid that passion doesn't just 'turn off' at the end of the day when i leave work.

    I'm also a bit lucky in that through my job i've travelled throughout NZ and seen where pest control is saving the lives of native wildlife - and also seen places where the lack of pest control is leaving forests lacking the many birds and other animals that comprise our natural heritage.

    Someone sent me a link to this video this morning featuring interviews with DOC rangers in the field doing the work, and there's some great stuff in there.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6tLQv7Fa2A

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  17. auckland anne
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    Sorry to keep up with the medicinal chemicals(aka "poison") imagery, but I've always found it fascinating that argument about when a chemical is a medicine and when is it a poison? Especially when you consider something like Warfarin which is actually sold commercially and unrestricted for killing household rodents and at the same time used to prevent blood clots and strokes in people. Hmmm.
    Anyway, when I was researching anti-cancer drugs (which resulted from a degree in Zoology and Biology and things ecological - go figure!!) we used to semi-joke that if people kept smoking after diagnosis of cancer, then they went to the back of the waiting-line for treatment. Now there's another criterion it appears - "Have you ever protested about "poisons"?". It'd help make our health waiting-lists shorter I guess!!

    But an aside really - doing what we can in as best way we can to stop native species from being obliterated is the key argument here.

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  18. Hello all,

    I am a little taken aback at the defensive aggression that this issue seems to provoke from Forest and Bird supporters.

    Just to clarify, we are opposed to the uncontrolled aerial dropping of poisons within New Zealand. This has nothing to do with the medical field where individuals have the choice of whether to be exposed to a chemical or not and where its intention is to save lives rather than take them in a particularly cruel way.

    Accessibility is just one of a myriad of issues relating to the aerial application of poisons. Reducing aerial dropping to the inaccessible areas would simply be one step towards our goal. A start only. Major tourist destinations such as Rangitoto Island and Motutapu Island in the Hauraki Gulf within which our largest city is located cannot be termed inaccessible and yet it has recently been aerially dropped on resulting in the deaths of marine life.

    As everyone knows, there are always two sides to every arguement and we want to show the other side to the one DoC has presented to the public. We want to generate a healthy debate, inform people, encourage questions and the pursuit of balance and truth. I encourage all of you to simply watch the documentary "Poisoning Paradise", do some research outside of that presented by those who promote the use of aerial poisoning and make your own inquiries. Be fully informed.

    We are just as passionate about protecting the environment and ensuring the futures of our wildlife as you are. We believe there are better ways.The aerial dropping of poisons has undesirable side effects for our environment, health and native wildlife. There are better, safer, cheaper and more humane methods of protecting our environment.

    The group’s aim is to have all aerial dropping of poisons abolished immediately and replaced with sustainable alternative pest eradication and trapping programs. Under these methods our native wildlife can thrive. There are examples.

    We want to work with people to achieve the best possible result for New Zealand. We are not nasty people, we simply want to open people's eyes. We are NOT trying to let our dear country get overrun with possums, to allow the spread of said TB, or to hinder the economy. We simply want AERIAL drops banned.

    On that note I will graciously sign out and won't revist this forum.

    Regards,

    Thomas Greve
    thomas@enufisenuf.co.nz

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  19. auckland anne
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    How many times does it need to be said? The brodifacoum used at Rangitoto and Motutapu did NOT kill the marine life!! Good grief, we don't even know if the traces of the chemical found in two of the penguins originated from that drop or not. How can people even make those accusations without any hard evidence?
    What it seems to me to be what we're being asked to do, is taihoa, and sit back and have a cup of tea while alternatives to aerial 1080 drops are found, and then hope like hell that there's still native flora and fauna to be saved while we've fiddled. I find this attitude just unbelievably callous and self-interested...

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  20. Hi all,

    Graeme Hill (Radio Live weekend variety wireless) will be interviewing the dedicated conservationist Laurence Gordon who has spent many years working on pest control and restoration of some of our wild places - such as the Mangatutu Valley. He's had particular success in pest control to benefit kokako, and is quoted as saying, "I owe no allegiance to anyone - not DOC, Environment Waikato or the Animal Health Board; no-one except the birds and my volunteers" in a May 16 "Your Weekend" story on him earlier this year.

    Graeme's interviewing him live in the studio - there'll be plenty on the significance of pest control for the benefit of native wildlife - Graeme asked me to pass it on.

    When: Nov 14th 11.30am
    What station: Radio Live

    http://www.box.net/shared/vfxsqpvh2s

    http://www.box.net/services/ipaper_by_scribd/102/354622154/b54cc7/Ten_out_of_1080/shared/vfxsqpvh2s

    (hope that link works).

    For your interest.
    Cheers,
    Nic.
    PS. I helped rescue two five-day old kiwi chicks from Tongariro Forest Park yesterday... kiwi survival was 69% following a 1080 operation in 2006, and it stayed high for two years - but now the pests are sneaking back in, and last season was shocking for chick survival. on average, we're losing nine out of ten kiwi chicks without pest control. Good to know we saved these two!

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  21. auckland anne
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    Great photo Nic.
    Just a quick point about Graeme Hill's radio show (I only learned this myself recently). But they have a cool facility on their Radio Live website where they record the programmes for the next seven days and you can play them back if you know what date and time. Really good if you miss the actual broadcast, or for people who can't get the radio station at all.
    Here's their website - Graeme Hill's programme is about 11.30 on each Saturday as far as I can remember.

    http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Audio/tabid/109/Default.aspx

    PS Great to see the headline on an invitation to a soon-to-be-held annual event - Celebrate the Rangitoto/Motutapu control of pests and other conservation achievements in 2009. Let's not forget the positives.. conservation can be a thankless job at the best of times and we need to celebrate the good points not just focus on the perceived negatives. And those two kiwi chicks above are reason to feel good.

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  22. Tawaki
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    PFNZ Day November 15. How about us also calling it "Pest Free New Zealand Day" as an aspirational goal.

    Great to see the photo of the kiwi chicks Nic.

    We had a launch at Wellington last night and discussed the Tongariro kiwis in some detail. The Forest and Bird Patron, the Governor General and his wife were in attendance as were lots of conservation dignataries but unfortunately no Government Ministers or MPs. Peter Dunne a minor Government Minister and Wellingtom MP who should have seen the benefit of Karori Sanctuary and his Regional Council's pest control efforts all around Wellington accepted to come. But he cancelled at the last minute. Maybe he wasn't prepared to face Forest and Bird when earlier in the day (Nov 11) he had thrown all his weight behind the silly PFNZ Day.

    I'm not quite sure how Dunne and his United Future party propose to save our native birds and ecosystems from destruction by pests. Maybe they don't care. Perhaps as the party once notorious for saying "Commonsense" and "reasonableness" as many times as possible to win public suport, United Future expect the stoats to use the United Future terminology when they go on a killing rampage:

    "Excuse me Mr Kiwi. I'm about to bite your head off but I'd like you to show some commonsense and be reasonable about dying!"

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  23. auckland anne
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    "And think reasonably about the people who are standing by and watching me tear you to shreds, Mr Kiwi, they're being such caring greenies that they're protecting the country's "Clean Green" image, just not you. They love nature so very very much; you're just collateral damage killed by friendly fire; so sorry...."

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  24. Update: Bill Fleury will be speaking on the RadioLive show too - probably arond 11.45am. For an update on just what this man knows about pest control stuff - see here (although its a few years old now)

    http://www.doc.govt.nz/publications/conservation/threats-and-impacts/animal-pests/1080-in-action/hard-campaigner

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  25. Tawaki
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    Tongariro Kiwis:

    I'm told by DOC that there are an estimated 200 kiwis in Tongariro's 20,000 hectares. If we assume that say half of them breed each year that means there are 50 breeding pairs. At the normal, no pest control treatment, breeding rate of 5% it means that recruitment is about 2.5 new birds a year for the whole forest.

    With the 2007 1080 programme, breeding success increased in the first year to 69% so that an estimated 35 young kiwis were added to the population. I'm told that in the next year, 2008 the success rate dropped to around 50%-another 25 young birds-and Nic Vallance advises us that this year 2009 the success rate is right down so they have been rescuing young birds from this year. Lets say about 10 kiwi chicks make it. In total then the 2007 pulse of 1080 treatment resulted in a recruitment of about 70 new kiwis into the 200 strong Tongariro population. Natural deaths of old birds also need to be subtracted.

    Tongariro has a low kiwi density anyway compared to some lower altitude forests that haven't been logged.

    I'd be interested in knowing the cost:benefit comparison of restoring Tongariro Forest through regular whole forest 1080 treatment versus the cost of Operation Nest Egg rescuing of kiwi eggs and artificially hatching and breeding them up to "stoat resistant" size.

    Does any one have any numbers/costs for Operation Nest Egg?

    Of course the other key point is that with whole forest treatment of Tongariro there are benefits way beyond kiwi recovery. Whio, robin, fuchsia, insects, kereru will all be benefitting from the control of rats, possums and stoats. Operation Nest Egg only focuses on one species, the kiwi.

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  26. Hi all, in case you missed it, here's the interview with Laurence Gordon and Bill Fleury. it tackles many of the main criticisms of 1080, and addresses them.

    http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Audio/tabid/109/Default.aspx

    click on Saturday, then find 11.30am. the interview runs for half an hour - so you may have to click on the 11.45am one after you've heard the first part.
    Cheers,

    Nic

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  27. TVNZ is doing a poll on 1080. To vote go here - http://www.3news.co.nz/TVShows/60Minutes/tabid/88/Default.aspx

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  28. clairegreen
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    From a University Student's perspective, thanks Mandy for telling us about the TV3 story. It is really fascinating that the TV3 1080 poll has 61% of the respondents supporting the ongoing use of 1080 to control pests and save native forest and birds. Congratulations to John Stanilands,. Gillian Pollock and Gerry McSweeney for posting comments about just how vital it is to keep up the pest control work if we are to continue to save our native birds and forests.

    There is a lot of anti 1080 emotion but it is fantastic to see just how many ordinary and passionate New Zealanders understand that we have to take urgent action on pest control if we are to save those things that make NZ special. It was great to see the DOC woman in the story explain why kiwi chicks don't have a future unless we keep doing pest control with 1080.

    Well done Forest and Bird Members and keep up the great work DOC and the Animal Health Board !!

    Posted 8 months ago #
  29. clairegreen
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    Please Please.

    The TV3 poll is running now in big favour of the anti-1080 folk.

    Please log on...see Mandy's website above-and vote!!

    Posted 8 months ago #
  30. auckland anne
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    I think that this comment from another thread says a lot:

    "1080 has been used in New Zealand since the mid 1950s to control rabbits on farmland without a single human fatality. It's been only since 1080 has been to control possums and killing deer, that there has been any opposition to it. Perhaps a bit of honesty on the part of the opponents would be welcomed. I know that 1080 is cruel but no more so than when a animal is shot and wounded and takes days to die."

    Posted 8 months ago #

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