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HANDS OFF Schedule 4 !!

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  1. kauri
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    Whether or not you put in a submission opposing the govt's mining proposals on land presently in Schedule 4, don't be sucked in by their "community consultation"

    Don't let this process take away the momentum of the protest movement against taking our precious conservation land for mining !

    Don't fade quietly into the night !!

    Shout long and loud at the govt and the media and tell them NZers will NOT allow them to mine in what is now conservation land.

    This consultation document is a sham to diffuse the opposition to their proposals. Sure play along with the process, but dont stop the steadfast and strong opposition. DON'T go quiet !!

    KIA KAHA

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  2. Tawaki
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    With the massive opposition to lifting Schedule 4 protection from Great Barrier(including National's Nikki Kaye and John Banks), there is a real worry that the Government's fast track sham consultation will result in the "grand concession" from the Government to take Great Barrier Island and even Coromandel out of the list of lands to have Schedule 4 protection removed. This will then be announced by the Government to be a victory for consultation and to show how sensitive they are to public opinion.

    It is just too easy for them to then lift existing protection from the portions of Paparoa National Park that have been identified east of the Paparoa Range, because many in the local community around Reefton-Greymouth are more sympathetic to mining than are Auckland and Coromandel folk.

    We should never forget that it was the voice of Auckland and of all the people from elsewhere in New Zealand who supported a small brave group of conservation minded West Coasters and got the Paparoa National Park created in 1988. At the time there was major doubt on the Coast that there would ever be significant tourism and economic benefit from saving the trees and the development of nature tourism.

    Since 1988, tourism has boomed in the Paparoa National Park. There are now a great range of motels/hotels/backpackers and motor camps at Punakaiki and along the Barrytown to Westport coastline. DOC is about to start the second major rebuild of its Punakaiki National Park Visitor Centre since 1988 because visitor numbers are now so high to the Centre and to the Park.

    At the time of Paparoa's establishment, it was recognised that Paparoa became our first National Park established on ecological grounds rather than largely because of pretty scenery (one of the key criteria for most of our other National Parks). It protects an extraordinary natural sequence from the Tasman seacoast back to a limestone syncline and across a range comprised of some of New Zealand's oldest rocks. East of the range it protects vegetation sequences on outwash terraces and tertiary rock surfaces ranging from some of our youngest soils fully covered in natural forest up to some of our oldest soils and most stunted forests. It is these amazing soil-plant terraces and chronosequences that are most at risk from the Government's mining plans.

    There are already large areas of these sequences outside the National Park, available for mining or that have been mined. Much is already modified by farming and attempts at pine forestry. There is even a failed coal mine surrounded by the National Park/Reserve land where the owner couldn't make a go of the mine and tried to recoup his losses by selling the coal mine to DOC. He extolled all the ecological wonders of his coal mine in his sale proposal!

    Ominously, Solid Energy are now sniffing around the area. They could press ahead with a coal mine on the National Park protected land as a way of simply proving a point on behalf of the mining industry and the Government, even if the mine was a totally uneconomic prospect. They might even be directed to do so!

    Now more than ever we need all you caring Aucklanders and caring people throughout New Zealand to tell the Government to keep its mining hands off Schedule 4 protected lands EVERYWHERE in New Zealand.

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  3. Naffer
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    The government's discussion document on mining the conservation estate is called: "Maximising our Mineral Potential: Stocktake of Schedule 4 of the Crown Minerals Act and beyond; Discussion Paper". The paper (and appendices) can be downloaded quickly & easily from http://www.med.govt.nz/templates/MultipageDocumentTOC____42792.aspx
    Why could I not find this information on Forest & Bird's website?

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  4. auckland anne
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    Yes, it's there Naffer, has been from way back actually, before the F&B submission, the day it came out from MinEnv in fact - the direct link is available on this page... http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/what-we-do/campaigns/too-precious-mine-/submission-guide
    Also someone put it ion this Green Room it seems like weeks ago, the day it came out at the mininstry I think it was...
    Maybe you couldn't find it cos you never really looked? Just a guess.

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  5. auckland anne
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    Solid Energy had better hope that their prospecting to find coal at Paparoa is better than Naffer's trying to find the discussion document on the F&B website....If they ever get round to it, that is. And here's hoping it isn't an option that comes to fruition.
    Just an aside - I did a second take when Solid Energy brought all that new expensive mining machinery recently reputedly for Stockton (but oh so close to Paparoa).

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  6. Tawaki
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    Thanks Anne for telling Naffer all the F&B references to the Govt's Crown Minerals discussion paper.

    Any thoughts though from all of you about the risk of Govt conceding the "popular Schedule 4 areas" eg Gt Barrier and pressing ahead in the more remote ones eg Paparoa that aren't so much in people's faces.

    Already we have seen the PM backing away from any open cast mining in Gt Barrier and Coromandel but not from open cast mining in the Paparoa National Park.

    It seems to me that this is a battle where we are fighting to protect ALL the Schedule 4 areas. The principle that we should adhere to in submissions is that NO Schedule 4 areas should be available for mining rather than allowing the Government to cherry pick those areas they want where there might be less public controversy if they are mined.

    Otherwise we will end up with a two tier "A" Grade and "B" Grade National Park network which would be a travesty of the purpose for which National Parks were created for in the first place.

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  7. auckland anne
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    That's quite all right Tawaki. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to use the Search facility to find things on the website. Thank goodness. Now, back to my latest performance of brain surgery...
    Oh, your take on the govt bowing down and moving away from GBI - a few people including Aucklanders would agree wholeheartedly with your take on that one. I've already seen this argument from others in this debate. Play on Aucklanders' NIMBYism, suggest a great site like GBI close to their home, then be seen to give in to the protestations by backing away from somewhere that the local council regulations would've made mining there pretty unlikely anyway, and voila!! consultation with and responding to public feedback has been achieved!
    Nothing makes people happier and less likely to keep howling than making sure there own backyard is safe from the ravages of mining, eh?
    That's why it's so very important to keep the momentum going up here.

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  8. matata
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    maungawhau gave a good link about a week ago to a much more readable summary of the discussion document Naffer was looking for in No Mining on Conservation Lands - here it is http://static.stuff.co.nz/files/MaximisingOurMineralPotential.pdf

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  9. matata
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    And this is another link to the Min Economic Dev which spells out quite clearly their wanting to maximise mineral wealth on conservation land; its been on the F&B website for ages http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/saving-our-environment/threats-and-impacts-/mining-q-/mining-useful-links

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  10. maungawhau
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    Gerry Brownlee has an opinion piece in the NZHerald this morning. Available online (search for mining) but not featured on their home page. The minister says "proposing to open up to possible mining just 7058 ha ..." so I tried to submit a comment asking the Herald how it butchered the minister's words to print such a lie. A little more delicately than that.
    The minister is now saying "will rule out open-cast mines on schedule 4 land" - but reading the whole paragraph, maybe that is another misleading statement.
    We really need to get this debate back onto our side - what about the other land, the gh gases etc, not just the economic debate.
    Which is the most serious attack from this govt? Mining, or grazing on conservation land, or underfunding conservation work?

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  11. Kaipara
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    Ecosystem services is another way to look at this debate ...

    How do you put an economic value on ;

    Fresh clean air
    100% pure water
    Natural flood protection from wetland systems
    Natural filtration from wetland systems
    Natural flood protection from forested slopes
    Natural erosion protection from forested slopes
    Natural carbon rich sinks and storage in all of the above
    Rich endemic bio-diversity from forest systems including invertebrates, reptiles, birds etc
    Coastal protection from healthy, functioning dune systems
    Coastal bio-diversity etc
    The intrinsic benefits of these wild places etc

    All these functions are contained in their purest forms in our National Parks. If we allow government erosion of our National Parks via mining proposals (no-one undertakes these mining investigations in an area unless they have done initial surveys to determine an area is likely to be mineral rich), we allow the steady erosion of the ecosystem services that keep our part of the planet a healthy and functioning place to live.

    Interestingly, in 2006, the Department of Conservation celebrated the ecosystem services of our National Parks and conservation lands. So what has changed ? Here's some excerpts from that report or go to the DOC website for the full links. It's the Report on “The Value of Conservation” 2006 - a summary of reports on the economic impacts of public conservation lands in New Zealand. Here's a quote from that report;

    "Failure to appreciate non-market values such as ecosystem services carries a risk of deterioration of natural capital in New Zealand, with consequences including increased flood risk, reduced whitebait catches, impoverished tourism experience, and damage to our clean, green image.
    The first steps in preventing further decline in ecosystems (and the services they provide) are to recognise that they have economic values, and to attempt to measure at least some of them. Armed with this information, the Department hopes to make better-informed conservation decisions, and increase public awareness of what is at stake in our national parks and, generally, on public conservation land. 
    The air we breathe, the water we drink, the soils that sustain our pastures, forestry, orchards and crops are examples of environmental goods that benefit humans. Without them, life on Earth would be impossible."

    There is DOC in 2006, defending the economic and intrinsic values inherent within our National Parks that THIS Government is now chipping away at to provide overseas owned mining companies with huge profits at our expense. Not just at the expense of our tourism industry (a massive $21 billion), but ultimately at the expense of all our primary industries that rely on these basic ecosystem services provided by our high value, high bio-diversity conservation lands.

    Where is the economic and environmental balance in this scenario ?

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  12. matata
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    Biggest threat is commercialising DoC and expecting it to generate revenue.

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  13. Kaipara
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    DOC generates revenue already from concessions etc but quite separately from its role to protect our wildlife and wild places. There would have to be a change in the Conservation Act if DOC was to take that direction.

    If the Government starts dismantling our environmental protections to the extent of commercialising DOC as a primary focus of the department, that will be another move by the Government that would not be popular with the majority of the electorate.

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  14. matata
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    Agriculture Minister David Carter told about 300 farmers in Central Otago last week that finding ways to generate income from a conservation estate that grew in size under the previous government was a looming issue.

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  15. matata
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    In relation to High Country, he said The Cabinet will soon consider a report which links rents to the income-earning capacity of Crown pastoral lease properties.

    Mr Carter said the independently peer-reviewed report would now enter the legislative process.

    and

    Should the Cabinet give its approval, the next stage was to formulate legislation and then law.

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  16. kauri
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    this is the govt of environmental mismanagement .... history and future generations will hold it accountable for the damage it is doing in the name of economic growth

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  17. Kaipara
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    Mining is proven to be an economic failure for communities

    Development theories that promote extraction and export industries like mining as beneficial for locally affected communities are outdated and inaccurate according to a visiting researcher.

    A visiting scholar at Waikato University, Dr Gundars Rudzitis, (Professor of Geography at Idaho University) says a development theory that the way to develop a region or country is to extract resources from the Earth, either by mining or harvesting forests is out-dated.

    He says the American West is littered with defunct mining towns. Recent studies show that rural areas that depend on extractive activities such as mining have lagged behind dramatically in terms of economic development.

    Areas that have succeeded in economic development have done so by attracting people who move and stay there because of clean water, clean air, open spaces and other quality-of-life aspects.

    The out-dated development and export base theories (as promoted by the mining industry and now the Government) argue that people move almost solely to increase their incomes, but Dr Gundars’ research shows that protecting the environmental qualities of an area is a more successful development strategy.

    He says another myth connected with the old development model is that industries like mining create higher- paying jobs and more stability for rural areas than jobs created in non-extractive sectors such as services.

    People have moved to wilderness areas and have developed successfully without mining industries with many of the new businesses in the higher paying service industries, such as software, medical and legal services.

    Read more in the Stuff article by Dr Gundars Rudzitis at this link
    www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/opinion/3560072/Mining-a-countrys-national-parks-wrong-then-wrong-now

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  18. matata
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    Kudos to F&B for the work they've done on this mining issue. This is from their e-News from today:

    John Key's accusations are correct: we’re hysterical about nature - and we have been since 1923. Last month we sent over 3,000 e-cards to Key telling him our national parks and top conservation areas are too precious to mine.

    Now, it’s time to really put the heat on. Submissions on these proposals are due by May 4. So over the next five weeks we’ll be busy pamphleting & marching the streets, e-campaigning and speaking up on behalf of these unique places and the threatened species that occupy this land, such as our Hochstetter’s frogs and North Island brown kiwi.

    Help us by sending a quick submission or by taking the time to prepare a more detailed submission on these plans.
    To become a volunteer or to help hand out quick submission pamphlets in your area, contact office@forestandbird.org.nz (please specify your address and quantity of pamphlets).
    Blogs *NZ Frogs: from extinct to endangered in the blink of a greedy eye * Forest & Bird: Hysterical about Nature since 1923 * Clear and present danger * Acid trip for NZ rivers

    Media Releases * Mining proposals worse than Forest & Bird feared * Forest & Bird warns of sham mining protection *Forest & Bird reveals government’s mining plans

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  19. matata
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    Plus helpful info about making either a quick submission (form sub) and now also info about making a detailed submission too... http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/mining

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  20. auckland anne
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    If anyone up in Auckland City is interested in giving out brochures but wants some company to do it or wants to know a general area so we're not giving the same people more than one brochure, please contact forestandbird@gmail.com

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  21. auckland anne
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    Tawaki, you'll be out at Great Barrier I guess?!

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  22. Kaipara
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    In the NZ Biodiversity Strategy (2000) Principle 12 (Precautionary Decision Making) states that:

    “Management actions to conserve and sustainably use biodiversity should not be postponed because of a lack of knowledge, especially where significant or irreversible damage to ecosystems can occur or indigenous species are at risk of extinction.”

    This is the International Year of Biodiversity when this Government is planning to wipe out indigenous species such as Great Spotted Kiwi, endemic frogs, etc with proposals to mine in our National Parks.

    Hope everyone has done/are doing their submissions on the Schedule 4 proposals in time for the May deadline and opposing removal of ALL proposed areas from the protection of Schedule 4.

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  23. kauri
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    join the march on May 1st !!!

    www.dontunderminenz.org

    and the placards should read "Hands OFF Schedule 4" !!!!!!

    and focus on NO mining in national parks !!!!!

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  24. kauri
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    Kia Kaha !!

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  25. kukupa
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    I am going to pay for a bus to take heaps of us down from the mighty north! I've never been in a march before.

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  26. Kaipara
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    April 24th = Earth Day 'Love it, Don't Mine it' event, Thames
    Location:
    Sandra Goudie's Office, Thames
    When:
    Sat 24th April 9:30am - 11:00am

    Come along to a colourful demonstration outside the Coromandel MP's office, and send a strong message to her National Government that the residents of Coromandel will not sit by and see our precious environment trashed by more mines! We have won this one before, we will do it again!

    Meet at 9.30am at 614 Pollen Street, Thames. Contact Catherine and Gordon for more information 07 868 5248.

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  27. Kaipara
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    Brownlee - referring to the seven areas proposed for removal from Schedule 4 protection - says mining in the conservation estate is "highly likely".

    Not a surprise to learn the Government has pre-judged the issue and its so called community consultation is just a farce.

    A dictatorship by any other name ?

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  28. matata
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    Yes, makes you wonder why they even bother pretending they're going to listen to the discussion document outcomes when it looks like Brownlee's made his mind up anyway.
    http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/brownlee-signals-more-mining-set-in-stone-3474151

    But even more important we send a clear message. Everyone sent or sending a submission in?; it takes less than a minute to send a quick one, and then tell others about it.

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  29. Kaipara
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    Just 10 days left to get those vital submissions in to let the Government know you don't want mining on high value conservation land presently protected by Schedule 4 !!

    See links above for submission information.

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  30. matata
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    Good to see they had a decent turn-out to the anti-mining Schedule 4 protest at Nelson today. About 700 people. http://www.2precious2mine.org.nz/700-march-nelson-protect-precious-places

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