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Heli-hunting on public land - DOC approved?

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  • Started 2 years ago
  1. ethos
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    Section 12 c of the animal welfare act states:
    "Animal welfare offences:

    A person commits an offence who, being the owner of, or a
    person in charge of, an animal,—
    (c) Kills the animal in such a manner that the animal suffers
    unreasonable or unnecessary pain or distress."

    A person "in charge of" could demonstrably be a helicopter pilot herding animals. as "Person in charge, in relation to an animal, includes a person:
    who has the animal in that person’s possession or custody, or
    under that person’s care, CONTROL, or supervision"

    Unneccesary pain and distress is easily demonstrated by various studies examining delayed capture myopathy and stress in feral animals- effects which professional cullers and capturers mitigate either by rapid euthanasia (cullers) or appropriate handling and sedation (capture).
    A helitourist with a rifle is capable of neither.

    Are there any lawyers lurking in cyberspace who could make a case?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. whanahuia
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    Well the figures are out, 17 helicopter company's, flying 33 helicopters. Estimate around an extra 3-4 thousand hours of flight time over our public land's as they have applied to take 3100 animals and I'm working on an hours flying for each.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. Oscar
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    That's at least 3000 hours of helicopters flying in just a 6 month season, too. And concentrated in sections of public conservation estate, not spread over it all.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. Oscar
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    Have just found out today that DOC will be leaving mature bulls when culling tahr in Aoraki Mt Cook National Park.

    Now, we hunters have lobbied for only nannies and juveniles to be culled for a while. DOC argued against it. What a coincidence they change their mind at the same time they 'consider' opening the Park for helihunting.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. Tawaki
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    If Oscars advice is confirmed then this is an absolute disgrace.

    It means that DOC are actually farming introduced wild thar in Mt Cook National Park. This is contrary to the National Parks Act. It is contrary to the Mt Cook National Park Management Plan and it is contrary to the Government approved Thar Management Plan.

    It is also extraordinarily provocative to the fostering of good relations between the Forest and Bird Society and NZDA hunting interests. We have had a lot of discussions between us about thar over the years.

    The consensus view reached was that with thar, outside Westland and Mt Cook National Parks and the range limits of thar distribution (eg Landsborough), while the first option was that thar hunting by private hunters would be encouraged, DOC would undertake culling operations of the animals that private hunters had not been able to get. Elsewhere in the thar range beyond the National Parks and the range extremes, thar numbers were to be kept within the agreed population limits of the Thar Plan and that this would mostly be done by private hunters.

    Like Oscar, I'm appalled that DOC are now playing at being game managers in breach of the National Parks Act and with the intention of lining their pockets with big game money at the expense of private hunters. If they do this in a National Park, how long will it be before they stop amateur hunters going after bull thar on DOC managed land outside the Parks? DOC know/hope that they can instead flog off those Crown owned bull thar to unethical and rich American heli hunters at $500 an animal so why allow kiwi hunters to shoot them for nothing!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  6. Oscar
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    I have it in writing from the Canterbury Conservator:

    "We recently looked at our population cull data for Aoraki/Mt Cook National Park (the numbers of juveniles, nannies, males, mature males we have taken each year) and concluded that it did not make sense to be spending taxpayer funds to cull animals that had such a high value to recreational hunters and to visiting professionally guided hunters, so long as we could meet our population reduction requirements by taking juveniles/nannies/sub trophy bulls. But, for this to work in the long term there needs to be sufficient hunting pressure to keep the trophy male population at a level that fits with the current control plan"

    The timing of this decision is remarkable.

    (PS: it is officially spelt tAHr now! :))

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. lonewheel
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    It's certainly shaping up like there will soon be no place to go where you can get away from the combustion engine. Very sad. ;-(

    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. Speargrass
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    Let me see $500 bucks for an environmental mitigation fee to shoot a bull tahr and DoC think it is just fine to expend 2-3 hours of helicopter flying time to shoot that bull on public conservation land, does flying helicopters all over the place not have an environmental impact? how does that work ..... DoC ?

    At the stakeholders meeting in Christchurch on friday 12th the helicopter operators representing helihunt operators declared they could not conduct helihunts under the DoC concessions without herding and chasing animals. The current concessions prohibit herding and chasing of animals.

    So the Canterbury Conservation Board are being asked by the conservator Mike Cuddihy to consider advising on modifying the Aoraki Mount Cook National Park Plan to accomodate helihunts, an undefined unnotified activity ? the board has to decide to allow something no helihunt operator wants to use? How does that work DoC ?

    I am going to submit to the board to prohibit helihunts. No is a perfectly valid management method.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  9. Oscar
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    Canterbury Aoraki Conservation Board held their meeting in Twizel last Friday (26th February). A fair number of hunters from NZDA and elsewhere turned up to register our opposition to helihunting in general on public conservation lands and specifically to any notion that the Aoraki Mt Cook National Park management plans be altered to allow it.

    I spoke to a couple of Forest and Bird members there, was nice to meet them and I gained the impression that we agreed on this issue.

    To it's credit, the Board has decided not to wait for any departmental analysis of the pro's and con's, but made a public statement declaring it's unanimous opposition to heli-hunting on PCL, and that is wants to see it banned from 30 September (when this season's "Temporary Permits" expire).

    You can read about it here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/3387110/Sick-heli-hunting-may-be-stopped

    The Board are only in an advisory role, but we really appreciate their stance, and the time they have given to understand and consider this issue.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  10. Oscar
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    Just to bring you up to speed - DOC have offered "Temporary Helihunting Concessions" for some public land in the South Island, from March till September.

    These only allow "spot and drop" - NO herding, chasing or 'hazing' of the animal is allowed. So, if you see that activity taking palce, get as many details as you can (pictures, video, colour and type and registration number of the machine) and report it to DOC and to NZDA.

    Wilderness Areas and National Parks are excluded, so report any and all helihunting in those areas too.

    A full public consultation process for the possible 5 Year Helihunting concessions will take place soon, and we will be rallying opposition to these being issued.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  11. Oscar
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    Here we go again - last time we spoke, DOC had issued 'temporary permits', that were for just this winter, and prevented herd and hazing, as well as the guided 'hunter' shooting from the helicopter.

    The small number of helihunt operators protested and rolled out their lawyer, and unbelievably DOC have caved in and are issuing a Version 2 permit which will allow herding and hazing, and has much reduced conditions.

    More importantly, organisations such as Forest & Bird, FMC, NZ Alpine Club and NZDA were excluded from discussions on the revised permits, despite being involved in Version 1.

    A small number of helihunters are being catered to by DoC, and will be allowed to spend uo to 6000 hours flying at low level over our Conservation Estate each winter, searching for mature male animals (tahr, chamois and deer), and chasing those animals to wear them out and get them closer to the so-called 'hunters'.

    There is no conservation benefit in this, as they take few if any females. And the damage to the intrinsic value of our wild places is immeasurable.

    We hunters aren't trying to stop wild animal carcass recovery, a key tool to protect vegetation and habitats. We are opposed to a practice of a minority of guides whose clients do their utmost to having a 'wild country' experience, and are solely there to massage their egos.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. Oscar
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    You can view the new Temporary Helihunting Permit online: http://www.doc.govt.nz/upload/documents/about-doc/news/issues/heli-hunting/version2-heli-hunting-permit.pdf

    No restrictions on herding/hazing, so thousands of hours of low flying over huge areas of Conservation Land are now approved - all for no conservation benefit.

    3 Conservation Boards, the Conservation Authority, NZDA, Forest & Bird, FMC and NZ Alpine Club all oppose this activity. Yet we are told we're wrong expecting helihunting to be banned because thats not what the law technically says?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. Oscar
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    Possibly because of opposition from the aforementioned groups, and in particular several Conservation Boards and the Conservation Authority, the promised public consultation over heli-hunting has been delayed well past the intended date.

    Now, we hear just before Christmas that the so-called "Temporary Permits" will be rolled out for another year, 2011. How can an activity of such scale and which attracts such opprobrium be allowed to continue in lieu of public consultation and without formal concession approval?

    In some ways, the delay is a good thing, because just look at what these so-called 'guides' are applying for now:

    http://www.doc.govt.nz/about-doc/news/issues/heli-hunting/

    "Additional land requested includes:

    •National parks - Arthur’s Pass, Aoraki/Mt Cook, Mt Aspiring, Fiordland
    •Wilderness Areas - Adams, Hooker Landsborough, Olivine, Glaisnock
    •Recreational Hunting Areas - Lake Sumner
    •St James Conservation Area
    •Wapiti Block in Fiordland.
    •Conservation land in Canterbury Conservancy which had proposed restrictions on aircraft use under the draft Guidelines for Aircraft Access."

    Wilderness areas, National Parks, St James Conservation Area and areas with proposed restrictions? What, if anything, is the purpose of trying to manage aircraft impacts if this is allowed to stand?

    Also, there is this:

    "The proposed permit for 2011 is a modified version of the 2010 permit.

    Changes are primarily around:

    •removing conditions that went beyond what the legislation provides for (the herding and shooting from the air matters)

    [...]"

    So, in 2011, the door is being thrown open to the airborne equivalent of boy-racers. Have any of you read "Mountains without Handrails" by Joseph Sax? Public lands have a purpose - what we have here is our Department of Conservation actively working to encourage a privileged class of users of public land who negatively impact on the experience of all other users while doing everything in their power to avoid engaging in the experience these lands are there to provide.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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