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The Kiwi

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  • Started 2 years ago
  1. Hi,

    I am currently trying to find out how the extinction of the kiwi bird would affect New Zealand and New Zealanders. I would appreciate it if you could give me your oppinion on the following;

    How would the extinction of the Kiwi bird affect you, your community, as well as the nation?

    How would this affect you emotionally if at all?

    The people of New Zealand are identified as ‘Kiwi’s’ due to the Kiwi bird (which is considered a national symbol of New Zealand), how would the extinction affect your identity as a New Zealander?

    Any extra comments or information would be greatly appreciated.

    Thank you
    B

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. auckland anne
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    More than anything I'd be really embarrassed if our country let it's national icon go extinct. If we let that go, what would that say to the rest of the world about how much we protect our so-called 'clean green image' that we pride ourselves on?. And what would it say to them about how much we care about our national identity?. I can just hear the sports commentators with their sarcastic jokes ...especially the Australian ones! "Let's hope their team does better than their national symbol"...

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. kukupa
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    Not surprised with a National lead party!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. auckland anne
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    B, you might find it interesting to see how the kiwi is faring in F&B's Bird of the Year poll on this website..

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. auckland anne
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    There's a programme on Campbell Live (TV3) during the week (23 Feb 2010) about kiwis and how they're being saved in different places.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. auckland anne
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    I've had a chance now to look closer at the information (in this case about kiwi) on the new KCC website. Untold information about different birds! Really good!

    http://www.kcc.org.nz/birds

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. Speargrass
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    I am resigned to a future where the only remaining viable Kiwi populations are protected within sanctuaries, how how big and how many I don't know. Kiwis in the wild ? their time in the wild is limited.
    The kiwi whilst unique is the product of an evolutionary backwater; New Zealand.
    The extinction in the wild of kiwi would impact no-one I know nor my childrens heritage, I prefer Kea as a symbol.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. Tawaki
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    Accepting the loss of kiwi in the wild is a fatalistic attitude that I certainly cannot share. If you accept wild kiwi going extinct in the wild, what is next? Blue duck/whio, rata, mistletoe, NZ cedar, fuchsia, rock wren, kaka, weka?

    There are a great range of areas in NZ where effective integrated pest control over large areas is bringing back the native birds and vulnerable plants in a cost effective way.

    I say all power to those involved and these programmes deserve all the support that we can give them.

    I do question the effectiveness of Operation Nest Egg (ONE) with Great Spotted Kiwi (GSK) because there are serious questions that need asking about this programme. Do the chicks need to maintain a parental bond throughout their life. How successful is the reintroduction of the GSK chicks into the wild? What is the cost effectiveness of ONE versus effective extensive integrated pest control in the wild to save GSK and all the other vulnerable plants and animals in GSK habitat?

    I'm not the only one asking these questions. Just because something might work for North Island Brown kiwi doesn't mean it works for all the kiwi species.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. whanahuia
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    the Kiwi should be one of the easier native speicies to protect, the fact they are doing as well as they are without major help over large parts of their domain, lends me to think this way. It would be a major loss to me if I no longer could bump into a kiwi on my nocturnal wanders, or hear them call.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. I personally would be devastated if we lost any of the five species of kiwi. And while it's nice to think that they might be doing well over large parts of their domain - where there's no pest control, 95% of kiwi chicks don't survive to six months of age.

    I've met most kiwi species - and never tire of the joy and thrill of seeing one in real life. There used to be millions, now they number around 75000, with 10 000 disappearing every decade.

    We are the only (i think?) country in the world to have a native bird as our national symbol - and to have a bird that acts more like a mammal, that is tenacious, a caring parent, and a fierce fighter, representing our people is a privilege I reckon.

    www.savethekiwi.org.nz

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. brent
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    its really great to see Kiwi people so keen on keeping all species of Kiwi birds this side of extinction.

    earth's climate future on present trajectory is up to 30% of species extinct [source: IUCN www.iucn.org] if we limit to 2.5C temp increase. this suggests at least one of the five Kiwi species is going over the brink from this factor alone.

    that is until we each ask for and ask again and then demand livable limits on carbon. and keep on until this one most vital change is achieved.

    that's a great way to keep the Kiwi in the Kiwi!!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. whanahuia
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    limiting climate change won't do anything. putting money into predator control will.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. Tawaki
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    A doomed future faces the kiwi, most of our native forests and most of our threatened and vulnerable species if the Green Party get into a position where they hold the balance of power and the majority of their members succeed in their desire to outlaw the use of 1080.

    Not only would this be a disaster for nature conservation. It would also doom our exports of dairy products, venison and beef because we will have no effective tool left to control wild vector animals spreading bovine TB and our produce will eventually be banned from international markets.

    I have been advised that the majority within the Green Party (but not Jeanette Fitsimmons) believe that the answer rests in banning the use of 1080 (see the reference below to a "phase out" but it is actually a ban that the majority want).

    They also want to employ armies of people (presently under or un employed) running round with traps and think this can achieve the same as the highly sophisticated and efficient aerial 1080 operations presently achieve! "Join the Green Party...forget the science of nature conservation, forget the ERMA review and all the science that went into this, and just go where your heart leads you" should be their motto. They have a totally unrealistic view of what how ecosystem restoration is presently being carried out in wild and rugged New Zealand. If their 1080 approach became law it would be a tragedy for nature and for the kiwi.

    Gerry Brownlee with his mining ambitions might seem a total disaster for NZ nature conservation, but if the Green Party succeed in implementing a policy to ban the use of 1080 it would be a far greater disaster for wild New Zealand, for our native wildlife and for NZ's agricultural exports.

    If you are in the Greens, how about getting out into wild NZ and seeing just how effective are the nature conservation programmes using aerial 1080 that are saving kiwi, kaka, giant landsnails, whio/blue duck, mohua/yellowhead, mistletoe and rata?

    Here is a broadly circulated communication from within the Green Party from 3 weeks ago:

    TO POLICY GROUP 1080 30 JANUARY 2010:

    Hi Jeanette et al
    I met yesterday with ---- and discussed the apparent 1080 impasse. There have been suggestions of an out right ban on 1080, in particular aerial application, phase outs of 3 or 5 years, and some still holding to a rather open ended continuance of use based on 'until alternatives are found' or similar.
    I maintain that I believe the open ended statements are not really acceptable, have no substance etc, to those firmly opposed to 1080. In looking for a way through ---- suggested a sinking lid as a phase out tool, and which I believe might be where we can get consensus.

    I have thought a bit further on this and would like to consider a phase out with say a 20% reduction in 1080 tonnage used per year. I believe this can have several positive outcomes;

    1) an immediate reduction in 1080 use
    2) an opportunity to secure alternative solutions and build capacity
    3) the ability for users of 1080 to continue improvements on tonnage reduction per application through more accurate and strategic delivery systems
    4) improvements on prioritisation of areas targeted, with the ability to still use 1080 as a genuine last resort as alternatives are phased in
    5) encouragement of integration with alternative control methods
    6) a close to determined phase out date.

    So with some ~maths (some rounding) using a 20% sinking lid for every 100 tonnes currently used nationally, the next year would be 80, then 64, then, 51, 40, 32, 26, 21, 17, 13 .....
    This means a 50% reduction in 4 years.

    The very important balance to this is the need for funding increases and again to have a rising lid, accepting that in many instances, alternative, pest control solutions will be more expensive and some further technology development is required, although in time efficiencies of scale may reduce technology costs and increase returns from value added activities associated with pest control. This rising lid aspect for pest control funding and alternatives are important to emphasise when we discuss 1080 reduction. There is genuine fear of biodiversity catastrophe. A reduction in 1080 must be coupled with increased funding.

    I hope that this can find agreement, remembering that consensus is looking for a way of including others points of view/concern.

    Name deleted (by Tawaki) to protect their privacy

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. auckland anne
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    The Green Party just suddenly turned this murky mucky shade of khaki right before my eyes...
    Next thing we know they'll be supporting mining in National Parks with armies of unemployed wheelbarrowing the tailings to somewhere environmentally safe.
    I think they get mixed up sometimes between whether they're an environmentally-oriented party or a social-welfare one.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. brent
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    limiting climate change won't do anything. [DISAGREE]

    putting money into predator control will. [AGREE]

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. whanahuia
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    Sorry I should have added more reasoning than just two statements. My beleif is that even if climate change is as bad as the worst predictions, NZ is situated in a moderate temp zone where the affects will be less, its the creatures of current extremes, e.g arctic and antarctic, and eqatorial that will probably suffer most. The climate change issue has the potential to become a huge hole, sucking down money that could well be better spent on issues that will help protect speicies NOW, rather than 50 or a hundred years down the track, and I suspect the Dept of Conservation will, wether it likes it or not, get dragged into mitigating climate change at the expense of other, more pressing issues.
    My rather limited involvement with Kiwi came through owning a large property that held a good population of Kiwi in the Taranaki, I could open the house windows at night and hear them calling, I would find them nesting in the paddocks, and in the bush, and at times they would get quite grumpy if I intruded on their territory during the day. On a number of occaisions I found young kiwi, or nests I felt faced imediate threat and rang DOC or the Kiwi trust, only too be told there was no funding and they had to look after themselves. Only once I put in place a sustainable forest management plan, and started harvesting timber from the property, could I have a semi permanant trapper on the property, who not only covered my 1600 hectares, but the surrounding equivalent area of public land, did we start removing cats and ferrets and possums from this forest. The year after taking 12 ferrets off a certain ridge, I was delighted to have a 3 quarter grown Kiwi chick run across the feet of some townie freinds I had taken out possum shooting.
    Sadly, when I left, that operation was discontinued, but It reinforced the point for me that money, and predator control were the key issues, and also that perhaps private enterprise needs to be engaged to give DOC a hand.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. brent
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    thanks for that clarification.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. auckland anne
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    Re private enterprise giving a hand http://www.savethekiwi.org.nz/bnz-save-the-kiwi/bnz-save-the-kiwi.html
    I also received just today an invitation to a little spotted kiwi-release out on Motuihe Island in Hauraki Gulf later this month, and see the main sponsors include private enterprises, but also note the necessity of ample pest-control to make habitats safe for these birds.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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